"Dershowitz, and others like him - Joe Lieberman, et al - do not speak for Jews..."

That's what Larisa Alexandrovna sez:

Take for example the latest Alan Dershowitz column in the Wall Street Journal. Aside from getting the new meme on Mukasey about how the Democrats are beholden to MoveOn.org - echoed by meister Rove, President Bush, Dick Cheney, and the right wing propaganda machine as if one ring ruled them all - Dershowitz actually writes this:

"There are some who claim that torture is a nonissue because it never works--it only produces false information. This is simply not true, as evidenced by the many decent members of the French Resistance who, under Nazi torture, disclosed the locations of their closest friends and relatives."

This statement defies logic. Even if in some instances Nazi tactics worked, why would anyone endorse them for any reason, especially a Jewish man? Dershowitz, and others like him - Joe Lieberman, et al - do not speak for Jews, nor do they speak for Israel. In fact, the far right regime that has co-opted Israel and the US both is not representative of Judaism or Christianity for that matter. Whatever or whomever it is they represent, it is not the Israeli people or the American people. It is as though a multi-national organized crime syndicate has taken over both countries and is using the cover of religion as a shield against criticism.

Fine, Larissa. I'll buy that...exactly when the majority of Jews/Israelis PUBLICALLY ANNOUNCE THEIR REPUDIATION OF/REVULSION WITH the Dershowitzs and Liebermans (to say nothing of the Doug Feiths, Paul Wolfowitzs, Richard Perles, the Elliot Abrams, the Podhoretzs, pere et fils, the Kristols, et al).

Exactly the way I'll accept the 'honest charity of Christians" when the expel the Fred Sheltons, Pat Robertsons, James Dobsons, et al.

These religious fux cannot have it both ways: Either the fundie fux (Jewish or Xian) are members of their 'confessions,' or they are not. If they are not, then the 'leaders' of the 'responsible sects' need to disavow their bug-shit crazy 'bretheren' and join the SECULAR community of citizens in abhoring the shitwhistling fucknozzles in their ranks who yearn for Armageddon, their Rapture, and the 2nd fucking Coming.